lion killing tiger accounts

Your head is so far up your ass, you can't keep track of your own bullshit. Again, he is just listing everything abut the lion win over the tiger just like indrajit and wiki did with the tiger, when he killed the lion. LION VS BUFFALO - Buffalo kills Lion and Lion kills Buffalo. Sorry. Tigers are intelligent yes. In 2011, a tiger killed a lion at a zoo in Turkey. These circus cats used by these trainers and kept in zoos did not have long blood lines that were thinned out and made to be docile. Even though he had both tigers and lions their, 1 lion mostly attacks 1 tiger and the others were forced back into their cages. The 1931 Courtney Ryley Cooper account may be two adult lions killed to tigers, but pictures and evidence show young lions that are inbred being used. Little ammonia, which didn't impair the tiger but made him more aggressive. Was he trained? Yes most of the trainers you use are dumb. https://www.cbs.umn.edu/sites/cbs.umn.edu/files/public/downloads/Wounding_mortality_and_mane_morphology-West_et_al.pdf, "And you still haven't answered why the male lion was the only male to develop this of all big cats?". Also weight might not be size. But, Beatty noted the tiger always commits itself hanging on first where ever it can grab hold. Infact, most of their translation come from other languages and even those original links are gone. They have exceptionally large hearts, as well. Beatty allowed the tiger to jump the lion by surprise. An Indian prince had arranged a fight between a lion and a tiger in which the lion had killed the tiger (Page 119, Ref 31). Looked up this on my own. "siberian tiger, who lives in cold, only has fat and not much hair.". Because they don't fight as much, if at all. Did you read those links yourself or did you only choose specific comments? You said. Lifestyle does affect stamina......and it does this by increasing the organs most important for long distance running, or long, drawn out activities. It doesn't decrease their stamina, it increases their body heat and they get hot. ; In 1790, The Times reported a lion-baiting in Vienna as follows: "There was a lion fight at the amphitheatre of Vienna, in the summer of 1790, which was almost the last permitted in that capital. You can see Bonesaw's post debunked here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/animalinfoforum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=45&p=502#p502. That is 6 total lions killed, yet even still, some of these 6 may not be full grown healthy adult male lions.". The dash of ammonia was used because the tiger was too scared to fight. In this account, NOTHING IS EVEN MENTIONED. It was 1 male lion vs 2 bengal tigers (1 male and 1 female). Calling both the same thing is foollish. Here is the full link and article to this account. That doesn't take away from the fact that in a 1 vs 1, the LION STILL WON and many mixed cat trainers said that. Bonesaws post wants debunked, just people cherry picked certain parts of it. You keep saying that Smithsonian Magazine quoted wikipedia, there is no mention of any quote from wikipedia in that article. The Smithsonian already has Tigers wining on most accounts, and a tiger in Turkey killed a lion in one swipe by aiming for the jugular. I showed the picture of the wiki because you said that the Huffington Post and the Smithsonian Magazine quoted wikipedia, to which I answered that only the Huffington Post used wiki, again, I repeat : "The Smithsonian Magazine Article didn't used wiki". Tigers are still the more beautiful animal. A "possible" fair fight. And you did said that Smithsonian magazine used wikipedia, here are your words: @galactic_1000:TBH, he hasn't really proved anything but Huffington and Smithsonian articles that even admit on the article that they got most of their answers from Wiki.He has only provided one source which backs his claim, ONLY ONE. THE LION STILL HAS WAY MORE. I know of articles from many sites like nkorho/Londolozi that have been lost because the site changed its url or name. You clearly do not understand anything about packers studies and why that matters. Its the small margins, one day the lion will beat the tiger and the next the tiger will win. The Bobby and Caeser fight was the main fight but Bobby destroyed Caeser IN A FAIR FIGHT so they took it out of the movie. Here is a video, WITH PROOF AND EXPERT ACCOUNT, where the lion defeats the male tiger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i5otS5rqyY. Lions killed more tigers because they gang up on single tigers, but whenever a single tiger fought a single lion, the tiger would beat the lion in two minutes. Real photos, giant siberian tigers, tiger kills lion. The wrong move when hunting will get a tiger killed. Do you know why there weren't many tiger deaths back then?BECAUSE TIGERS WERE RARE. He died later from injures but he gave them a hell of a fight. It was not a tigress that he used, THAT WAS DEBUNKED. Are this kind of post your "BIG PROOF". My proof, https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/lion-kills-male-tigers-t6.html, speifically mentions: "60 male tigers killed by lions in fair fights, give or take with in the margin of error." Many male lions can almost be psychotic with aggression to fight, bordering on suicidal behavior, to fight against overwhelming odds. You can say the same about my proof but actually go see my proof, they even mention fair fight between the lion and tiger. But the problem with his statement is that Packer has never done any research on tigers. How naive are you? And with both of their extinctions looming, I don't think its a healthy debate to argue who'd win in a fight. More Wiki and Baltimore Sun? Lion kills large tiger in holding cage, as seen by veteran trainer George Conklin. I don't care for Bonesaw post. Who is going to be the diciplined, educated and smart one? Real photos, giant siberian tigers, tiger kills lion. The 1911 account of the tiger killing the lion in France. Did you even read what I wrote? Yet again they don't understand, there are many accounts of aggressive problem tigers in captivity, and we have accounts below of the lion beating those particular tigers that actually started the fights. In many tiger kills lion accounts, as seen on wiki and other tiger fan sites, the full background to each account is not mentioned, in other words, if a tiger kills a young lion, a sick lion, or a lioness, they leave that out, and just say a tiger killed a lion. Tigers will have an edge due to being solitary fighters, higher levels of individual selection and more experience in dealing with stress and hunting. This is common sense buddy, the mane is literally a bunch of hair. You criticized Bonesaw for this but are doing the same thing. Not cool. This is why I also told Bonesaw to remove it from his list as well. Its also important to note, that Bobby the tiger actually ATTACKED AND HURT BEATTY before the incident where beatty throw ammonia in his eyes. And concluded the mane is evolved has a show of health to other lions. My mistake. And you can see how they fight, it DOES PROVIDE PROTECTION. (But maybe it is too much effort on my side to write this, considering that you didn't even properly read my last answere). Dude, just because you work and see an animal doesn't mean you can predict what happened when it fights the other. A tiger is a solitary animal and does infact back down much quicker as it can't afford injury. When i said a tiger has more experience dealing with stress and hunting, means a tiger has more experience in dealing with life and death situations. That is why he always said that the lion was the better fighter. Fat has nothing to do with living in cold UNLESS YOU HAVE NO FUR. You are just as equally a tiger hater. It is an evolutionary trait. lions have the manes protecting them and are much more skilled. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/animaluntamed/lion-vs-tiger-stamina-t564.html. In 2011, a tiger surprisingly killed a lion at the Ankara Zoo in Turkey. Prove Betty tiger were smaller? The actual picture below of the remains of Tim the tiger. We can see that the tiger is faster, more agile, stronger, and overall a better fighter. These falsehoods in the tiger kills lions list can be seen exposed here in this link. Children visiting a lion enclosure at a local zoo in Poland were left traumatized after watching a male lion viciously attack and kill a lioness. And where the heck is this vote you are talking about? And unlike the tiger, most of them are actual described events, whereas the first 4 of the tiger are HEARSAY. Tigers are expert and extremely intelligent hunters. Infact, can you post the exact article from Baltimore Sun and Gettysburg Compiler where they got this info? You can see that for most of the battle the tiger dominated the lion. Fighting and hunting arent very separate activities. And more lies. I believe you and thanks. Beatty is a fucking piece of shit human being criminal, that lion fans like to use. That is why they didn't include that in the movie. lol, your other picture just proves what I said. Lions have more stamina than lions, there is nothing that you can do about that. But, letd accept them. Lol, they used the hose to break the grip of the tiger on the lion's mane. Taking random instances of captive tamed tigers been killed by lions as a proof of lions been superior fighters than tigers in general is fallacious. No they havent, that is totally wrong. Here - https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/wildanimalwarfare/lion-kills-tigers-most-irrefutable-accounts-t33.html#.WL3lY_krLIUThis. And in that fight, the tiger wasn't smaller, he was shorter as tigers are generally shorter than the lions. I dont know what you are talking about bro. He got beat but held his own. I remember having this debate... Back when I was 12 years old. Can you post this link for me where he said that? While lions, individually, are at 17 - 20%. Well, considering that you said that one of the resons why the lion would beat the tiger is because the mane would avoid it to get fatal wounds, I guess that kinda settles down your previous point on the mane been much of a protection for the lion: If the really thick, heavily abundant mane of a barbary lion can't help it win that much against a tiger, then what does it tell us about the mane of other lions with smaller manes. Very few animals can do the deed, but here is a look at five that might kill a tiger in a forest, if they are lucky. That is why you see tigers fighting on hind legs, because it results in more initiative, maneuverability and agility. Lions are group fighters (if you didnt know that, they fight in coalitions in africa), and that is why they fight on a three legged stance. "Another thing, the problem with the 'female selection theory' is that it assumes females determine which males get to mate. Yes, but the same could be said for tigers. But go check their hunting rate. Velar Male Lion vs. Royal Bengal Tiger. Beatty was attacked by tigers early in his carreer, and he clearly were purposely trying to get his tigers killed. @galactic_1000: . "Even though today manes don't seem to offer protection, West says a protective role could have been the reason the trait evolved in the first place. This is (from what i can tell) not the case. @hans_landa: Many people infact do. Ill copy and paste one of them here after i post. @imnotarovot: Again, he has never seen them fight. Tigers are actually larger animals than lions. The 1857 account of the lion killed by the tiger in the amphitheater, no original source given. \"What I've seen from tigers, they seem to be more aggressive; they go for the throat, go for the kill,\" Saffoe said. The manes also makes the lions more visible to their preys, they can harbor parasites and most importantly, they retain heat, which is not good for lions living in the hot sabanas of africa, and because of the heat, it could also diminish the lion's stamina in a battle, and considering that tigers are lone hunters and fighters, and that lions are mostly pride hunters, and they have a much more active live in general, I would say that tigers would have more stamina than lions. Your links have incomplete data, not enough animals used, and have captive animals. Also, each of them have their own reference, and I already found the one of Gettysburg for you, which is the number 3, which you as well called hearsey: There are also lot of articles, videos, and opinions that favour the tiger above the lion. The creators of the video displayed above took a photograph of a lion that was killed in 2013, and placed it into the foreground of a generic picture resembling South Africa. In the early evolution of the trait, males may have gone straight for the neck, making individuals with manes harder to attack and thus more favored by natural selection. Male lions have always been cream of the crop in literally everything. Lion mothers care for their cubs for about two years. Here's another good source THE WILD ANIMAL TRAINER IN AMERICA 1983 by Joanne Carol Joys. Stop crying and disprove it theN? The account of Saba the tiger killing two lions. ", Within one of these animal barns below, at the Hagenbeck winter quarters in Peru Indiana, the lion. Sorry. These results confirm that lions would benefit not only from adapta- tions allowing them to avoid fights, but also from some form of protection from the teeth and claws of rivals. And in zoos, fight rarely happen and lion vs tiger fight NEVER happen as they keep them separate. Most of the trainers you use are also bias and ridiculously dumb. Craig Packer has studied the mane. That is right because that is all a lion can do against an opponent he can't kill. Clyde Beatty himself says that only 4 lions were killed by Tigers, while 18 tigers were killed by lions. But the endurance of the lion prevailed " seizing the tiger by the throat, he turned it on its back, and with his strong claws tore open its belly, and, thus put an end to its ferocious life. Remeber, they are talking about lions vs lions here. Everything he says and does points out to a very bias guy. While Tigers are solitary creatures hunting alone and rarely harnessing their fighting prowess. The University of Minessota’s Lion Research Center: https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&controller=topic&id=70877. Multiple times. Some people think beatty used the ammonia because 'he wanted to save the lion....it is obvious, if you read the description preceding that scene, that that wasn`t the case at all......as it said 'they seemed like two tired boxers, who liked each other anyway'....the fight was not showing much action, and beatty of course wanted to animals to renew their struggle, to make for a more interesting struggle. In 2003, he moved with his wife … "Many people infact do. With my own eyes and even experience with these animals i dont find that at all, I in fact find lions to be not really good looking and boring animals. What do you mean it doesn't suit my argument? Again, I only posted the image of the wiki reference of baltimoresun to show from where was the only quote of wiki on the Huffington Post article, and to show that it has nothing to do with the Smithsonian Magazine article, because of your false statement of both of them getting most of their answeres from wikipedia, which I repeat it is false. That story could have been invented by anybody, there are pictures or prooves at all, if I had posted something like that, you would be calling it " HEARSEY " and talking about how all my prooves are "hearsey" and that "hearsey" is what show, etc... www.thejakartapost.com/news/2000/02/29/caught-crisis-hungry-semarang-zoo-animals-need-help.html, http://www.zoos.org/SE%20Asia/Indonesia/Tinjomoyo%20Zoo.html. They used a smaller tiger in that fight and claimed it was normal. Yeah, the said the indian lion was too small, that is why they chose an african lion: The fight was between a black mane lion from Africa and the tiger(not between the tiger and an indian lion): Not all, but if you read the previous pictures, the article was clearly talking about a big lion. Wrong. Only the article of the Huffington Post used wikipedia for a single quote. Lions often hunt in groups, whereas tigers hunt alone. No one but you is downgrading animals here. On another occasion the zoologist witnessed a lion maul a tiger of similar size as they were transporting the animals between neighboring cages. The 1857 account of the lion killed by the tiger in the amphitheater, no original source given. Makes sense to me, Lions wrestle and fight and train with each other. Lionesses are good hunters as well but they can't fight as brutally and as long as male lions. That alone shows that it doesn't have its own info and got it from others, who have never seen these animals fight in real life. That fight was rigged in the movie, even I admitted that, why are you still crying about it? He would even count a comment from youtube as a proof of a lion killing a tiger. Sorry, but you know nothing about these animals. That is what the majority of the people think and what i see and who the animals are. Thanks for the proof. You remind me of somebody on other platforms, i think i already know you. He was out of shape lion kept the 2 wild tigers at bay for 30 minutes. While Packer relies on unproven statements about tigers. I already agreed with that, why are you posting that. It is just what it is. Clyde Beatty himself admitted that 1 vs 1, the tiger would beat the lion in about 2 minutes. Lion fans have faked so much information its ridiculous. Only captive animals won't be fazed BECAUSE THEY ARE USE TO IT. A lion is kept in a cage at Jeonju Zoo, North Jeolla Province, Wednesday, after attacking and killing a tiger in the zoo. Tigers are better than lions. This is perhaps one of the most credible documented accounts of a lion killing a male tiger, not only is it recorded by, Guinness and several other newspapers sources, but actual pictures are shown of the two cats. @imnotarovot:Smithsonian was info from people that have never the lion or tiger in action. One of the quotes came from Craig Saffoe, lets see again: Of course he works with those animals all the time, it isn't just reading papers like you are trying to make it look like. Lion kills Cheetah Lion kills Leopard Lion vs Leopard 2013 Most Dangerous Battle Best Wild Ani. Tiger vs Lion real comparison. Yes lions can be imposing and angry up front, so what. Go read the links i sent you. How slow are you? 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